{"id":346,"date":"2022-10-02T13:32:06","date_gmt":"2022-10-02T13:32:06","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/taliyah.org\/newdawn\/?page_id=346"},"modified":"2022-10-02T14:12:03","modified_gmt":"2022-10-02T14:12:03","slug":"ticking-time-bomb-scenario","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/taliyah.org\/newdawn\/ticking-time-bomb-scenario\/","title":{"rendered":"The Implausibility of the &#8220;Ticking Time Bomb Scenario&#8221; and Philosophical Dishonesty In the So-Called &#8220;War On Terror&#8221;"},"content":{"rendered":"<p align=\"center\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial; font-size: x-large;\"><b>\u0628\u0633\u0645 \u0627\u0644\u0644\u0647 \u0627\u0644\u0631\u062d\u0645\u0646 \u0627\u0644\u0631\u062d\u064a\u0645<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"cont\">Indicated by the title of William Schulz\u2019s well-argued article \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/micahnaziri.com\/the-implausibility-of-the-so-called-ticking-bomb-scenario\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Is the \u2018Ticking Bomb\u2019 Case Plausible?<\/a>\u201d the author presents a compelling counter-thesis to the hypothetical \u201cticking bomb\u201d scenario. That scenario is typically posited by proponents of \u201cnecessary\u201d instances of torture as an interrogation method. Specifically, Schulz, the former executive director of Amnesty International USA, argues against Alan Dershowitz\u2019s thesis, which offers a purported check on law-enforcement-exacted torture, through the implementation of what he calls \u201ctorture warrants.\u201d These, Dershowitz emphasizes as particularly essential to the execution of Federal Law Enforcement duties, particularly in the post-9\/11 era.<\/p>\n<p>In his counter-thesis, however, Schulz concludes that \u201cDershowitz\u2019s hypothetical application of the torture warrant proposal to the events of September 11 shows exactly what is wrong with it.\u201d That is, in the words of Dershowitz:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Had law enforcement officials arrested terrorists boarding one of the airplanes and learned that other planes, then airborne were headed towards unknown occupied buildings, there would have been an understandable incentive to torture\u2026<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Yet Schulz poignantly identifies that this hypothetical situation presumes an unrealistic scenario that does not coincide with the reality of law enforcement. Specifically, it presumes that law enforcement would have been able to take the suspects into custody before the commission of said terrorist acts, ascertain with a fair degree of certainty that the suspects were (1) terrorists, (2) that they had information in their possession, and then (3) apply to a judge for a torture warrant with enough time remaining to thwart said attacks. Naturally, this third aspect of Dershowitz\u2019s argument unnecessarily complicates the matter philosophically, as there is no necessity of a torture-proponent to provide for such a safe-guard. Accordingly, this last point will be disregarded from further critique, as I proceed, though it is not by Schulz, who makes a point of decisively squashing this as implausible and contrary to the sense of urgency implicit in the hypothetical scenario Dershowitz posits.<\/p>\n<p>Returning to the second point above, though Shulz does not mention this, the purported \u201cSleeper Cells\u201d of the 9\/11 plot, in fact did not know the details of other cells (or their individual members), acting in tandem. Thus, if one cell was compromised, no amount of torture would have thwarted the attacks of the other cells. This adds another interesting, and complicated twist to the hypothetical situation; though a twist that similarly argues against Dershowitz\u2019s justification thesis. The unexplored avenue provides us with scenery of an ever-changing landscape of terrorist tactics; an evolving, adaptable, situational modus operandi, which tomorrow will not fit into the assumptions found neatly codified and categorized in the training manuals of yesterday.<\/p>\n<p>To the end of destroying this second assumption found within Dershowitz\u2019s hypothetical 9\/11-thwarting-scenario, Schulz introduces his argument by stating:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Whether or not torture is an effective method through which to gain access to information, the argument for torture premised upon the \u201cticking bomb\u201d scenario stands or falls upon the plausibility of the hypothetical situation. If the \u201cticking bomb\u201d argument is based upon no more than an abstract calculation, unrelated to real life, then it loses much of its persuasive power.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Schulz notes the virtually universal hypothetical scenario of \u201cwhat if\u201d one could go back in time and kill Adolf Hitler. However, he notes that this hypothetical scenario, like that of the \u201cticking bomb,\u201d is based upon premises that have no relationship to the way the world actually works; that require, echoing the Hitler example, \u201ca superhuman clairvoyance.\u201d<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>What the ticking bomb case asks us to believe is that the authorities know that a bomb has been planted somewhere, know it is about to go off, know that the suspect in their custody has the information they need to stop it, know that the suspect will yield that information accurately in a matter of minutes if subjected to torture, and know that there is no other way to obtain it. The scenario asks us to believe, in other words, that the authorities have all the information that authorizes dealing with a crisis never have.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>While, in the example that Schulz gives, his citation of Henry Shue reveals a concession to the defensibility of torture in the abstract, for a \u201ccase just like this,\u201d (emphasis original), he continues later \u201creal life is neither abstract nor strict, and even if we limit ourselves to a cold cost-benefit analysis, the long-term consequences of violating other\u2019s human rights are rarely clear ahead of time.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Schulz follows with an excellent example of the actions of American General Jacob Smith and his soldiers in the mass slaughter and razing of the Philippines, followed by a continued military presence under the abusive Marcos regime until eventual overthrow in 1986. He notes the unintended consequences, that in 2002 to 2003, when the US sought to reinstitute a military presence &#8211; to seek out and combat the terrorist group Abu Sayf &#8211; many Filipinos resisted this proposal. More to the point, Schulz notes:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Proponents of ticking bomb torture try to convince us that the calculation is straightforward: torture one terrorist; save 100 people. But that assumes that there are no further detrimental consequences once the victims of the bombing are saved \u2013 no retaliatory strikes, for example, by the torture victim\u2019s comrades to pay back the inhumanity done their brother. If that happens, the math may quickly change: 100 people saved today; 1,000 killed tomorrow [. . .]<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Schulz follows with a further essential question, that being, \u201cDoes terrorism even work?\u201d He cites Eric Haney, former interrogator for the US Army, Art Hulnick, a former CIA officer, who interviewed North Korean prisoners after the Korean War, as well as Christopher Whitcomb, a former FBI interrogation instructor, all who reject the effectiveness of torture as a means of gaining accurate information, or (in those cases where some accurate information is yielded), accurate information that is isolated from inaccurate information which the individual believes their interrogators want to here.<\/p>\n<p>Schulz notes the fact that the defenders of the implausible \u201cticking bomb\u201d scenario \u201crarely cite verifiable cases from real life that mirror its conditions. Israeli authorities, for example, have often made the general assertion that their interrogation practices have saved lives, but they fail to detail specific examples\u2026\u201d Faced with a potentially contradictory \u201csuccess\u201d example &#8211; of the torturing of `Abdul Hakim Murad &#8211; Schulz notes that Murad not only provided information related to his actual involvement, but also to those unrelated, and as far-flung as the Oklahoma City bombing!<\/p>\n<p>Schulz continues with the example of Israeli torture, citing a Palestinian youth who was first tortured, humiliated and then later returned, motivated toward retribution as a suicide bomber. Furthermore, he concludes the example of Israeli torture gone awry by citing:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u2026the Israeli High Court found, to its chagrin, \u201cmoderate physical pressure\u201d to obtain intelligence not only tended to morph into unqualified torture but was gradually applied to more and more people \u2013 not just the ticking bomb terrorists.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Schulz then carries the argument to its logical conclusion: if torture is justifiable in cases of 100% certainty that the individual to be tortured is in fact a terrorist, then what of those cases where it is less certain; 50% certain, 10% certain. What of torturing the individual\u2019s wife, children, and so on? Where does one draw the line, or as Schulz phrases the question, \u201cat what point do we truly give up our souls?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>To this end, we must conclude where Schulz begins; noting that, just as Shue speaks of a \u201ccase just like this,\u201d the 45% of Americans who reported in October 2001 that they approved of torture were in actuality stating approval only of the \u201ctorture of known terrorists if the terrorists know details about future terrorist attacks.\u201d That is, though proponents of necessary torture, of the so-called ticking bomb scenario, cite the alleged \u201cpopular desire\u201d for law enforcement to \u201cdo whatever it takes,\u201d this hypothetical support is irrelevant to any but the most implausible of scenarios; scenarios which law enforcement is neither faced with, nor is honest with the general public about the non-existence of. To this end, they &#8211; and the proponents of torture who would invest them with such discretion &#8211; misrepresent the effectiveness of torture in scenarios which they do face; misrepresent the long term consequences on the slippery-slope of civil rights erosion; and misrepresent the largely unforeseeable long-term negative repercussions which their actions have on the very cause they seek to advance.<\/p>\n<div class=\"sharedaddy sd-sharing-enabled\"><div class=\"robots-nocontent sd-block sd-social sd-social-icon sd-sharing\"><h3 class=\"sd-title\">Help SPREAD THE WORD!<\/h3><div class=\"sd-content\"><ul><li class=\"share-facebook\"><a rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\" data-shared=\"sharing-facebook-346\" class=\"share-facebook sd-button share-icon no-text\" href=\"https:\/\/taliyah.org\/newdawn\/ticking-time-bomb-scenario\/?share=facebook\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Click to share on Facebook\" ><span><\/span><span class=\"sharing-screen-reader-text\">Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window)<\/span><\/a><\/li><li class=\"share-reddit\"><a rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\" data-shared=\"\" class=\"share-reddit sd-button share-icon no-text\" href=\"https:\/\/taliyah.org\/newdawn\/ticking-time-bomb-scenario\/?share=reddit\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Click to share on Reddit\" ><span><\/span><span class=\"sharing-screen-reader-text\">Click to share on Reddit (Opens in new window)<\/span><\/a><\/li><li class=\"share-twitter\"><a rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\" data-shared=\"sharing-twitter-346\" class=\"share-twitter sd-button share-icon no-text\" href=\"https:\/\/taliyah.org\/newdawn\/ticking-time-bomb-scenario\/?share=twitter\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Click to share on Twitter\" ><span><\/span><span class=\"sharing-screen-reader-text\">Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window)<\/span><\/a><\/li><li class=\"share-linkedin\"><a rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\" data-shared=\"sharing-linkedin-346\" class=\"share-linkedin sd-button share-icon no-text\" href=\"https:\/\/taliyah.org\/newdawn\/ticking-time-bomb-scenario\/?share=linkedin\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Click to share on LinkedIn\" ><span><\/span><span class=\"sharing-screen-reader-text\">Click to share on LinkedIn (Opens in new window)<\/span><\/a><\/li><li class=\"share-pinterest\"><a rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\" data-shared=\"sharing-pinterest-346\" class=\"share-pinterest sd-button share-icon no-text\" href=\"https:\/\/taliyah.org\/newdawn\/ticking-time-bomb-scenario\/?share=pinterest\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Click to share on Pinterest\" ><span><\/span><span class=\"sharing-screen-reader-text\">Click to share on Pinterest (Opens in new window)<\/span><\/a><\/li><li class=\"share-email\"><a rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\" data-shared=\"\" class=\"share-email sd-button share-icon no-text\" href=\"mailto:?subject=%5BShared%20Post%5D%20The%20Implausibility%20of%20the%20%22Ticking%20Time%20Bomb%20Scenario%22%20and%20Philosophical%20Dishonesty%20In%20the%20So-Called%20%22War%20On%20Terror%22&body=https%3A%2F%2Ftaliyah.org%2Fnewdawn%2Fticking-time-bomb-scenario%2F&share=email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Click to email a link to a friend\" data-email-share-error-title=\"Do you have email set up?\" data-email-share-error-text=\"If you&#039;re having problems sharing via email, you might not have email set up for your browser. 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Edits and further additions have been made to the text, in order to reflect the evolving approach of the Inner Circle of the occulted group, and current events. \u0628\u0633\u0645 \u0627\u0644\u0644\u0647 \u0627\u0644\u0631\u062d\u0645\u0646 \u0627\u0644\u0631\u062d\u064a\u0645 4\/20\/2000 In the\u2026","rel":"","context":"Similar post","img":{"alt_text":"","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/taliyah.org\/newdawn\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/jamil-al-amin-taliyah.jpg?fit=1200%2C751&ssl=1&resize=350%2C200","width":350,"height":200},"classes":[]},{"id":14,"url":"https:\/\/taliyah.org\/newdawn\/history-of-the-taliyah\/","url_meta":{"origin":346,"position":3},"title":"History","date":"September 20, 2022","format":false,"excerpt":"LET THERE ARISE OUT OF YOU A BAND OF PEOPLE INVITING TO ALL THAT IS GOOD, ENJOINING WHAT IS RIGHT, AND FORBIDDING WHAT IS WRONG: AND THESE IT IS THAT SHALL BE SUCCESSFUL.\u201d QUR\u2019AN, SURAH 3.104 \u0648\u064e\u0644\u0652\u062a\u064e\u0643\u064f\u0646 \u0645\u0650\u0651\u0646\u0643\u064f\u0645\u0652 \u0623\u064f\u0645\u064e\u0651\u0629\u064c \u064a\u064e\u062f\u0652\u0639\u064f\u0648\u0646\u064e \u0625\u0650\u0644\u064e\u0649 \u0627\u0644\u0652\u062e\u064e\u064a\u0652\u0631\u0650 \u0648\u064e\u064a\u064e\u0623\u0652\u0645\u064f\u0631\u064f\u0648\u0646\u064e \u0628\u0650\u0627\u0644\u0652\u0645\u064e\u0639\u0652\u0631\u064f\u0648\u0641\u0650 \u0648\u064e\u064a\u064e\u0646\u0652\u0647\u064e\u0648\u0652\u0646\u064e \u0639\u064e\u0646\u0650 \u0627\u0644\u0652\u0645\u064f\u0646\u0643\u064e\u0631\u0650 \u0648\u064e\u0623\u064f\u0648\u0652\u0644\u064e\u0640\u0626\u0650\u0643\u064e \u0647\u064f\u0645\u064f \u0627\u0644\u0652\u0645\u064f\u0641\u0652\u0644\u0650\u062d\u064f\u0648\u0646\u064e\u2026","rel":"","context":"Similar post","img":{"alt_text":"","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/taliyah.org\/newdawn\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/taliyah-history-image.jpg?fit=1200%2C654&ssl=1&resize=350%2C200","width":350,"height":200},"classes":[]},{"id":629,"url":"https:\/\/taliyah.org\/newdawn\/9-11\/","url_meta":{"origin":346,"position":4},"title":"Recent Wahhabi Attacks On Civilians: The Myth of \u201cIslamic\u201d Terrorism","date":"October 17, 2022","format":false,"excerpt":"\u0628\u0633\u0645 \u0627\u0644\u0644\u0647 \u0627\u0644\u0631\u062d\u0645\u0646 \u0627\u0644\u0631\u062d\u064a\u0645 Written 09\/11\/2001 (expanded on 09\/14\/2001) In response to the recent massacre of innocent civilians in New York City, it has become necessary to clarify the matter of Jihad in light of the beliefs of true Islam. 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